Comments for borgsdemons.com Blog http://borgsdemons.com/blog Live Hard . . . Die Free! Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:19:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 Comment on Congressman Ron Paul and the Appeal of Libertarianism by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-1755 John Merryweather Cooper Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:19:22 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/#comment-1755 It's too bad that Rep. Ron Paul is out of the race now. Even if I don't agree with much of it, his idealism is refreshing. It’s too bad that Rep. Ron Paul is out of the race now. Even if I don’t agree with much of it, his idealism is refreshing.

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Comment on Republican Debate: An Endangered Species Attempting a Comeback by Inter-Breeding with Democratic Mules by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/05/republican-debate-an-endangered-species-attempting-a-comeback-by-inter-breeding-with-democratic-mules/comment-page-1/#comment-1706 John Merryweather Cooper Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:35:57 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/05/republican-debate-an-endangered-species-attempting-a-comeback-by-inter-breeding-with-democratic-mules/#comment-1706 With Senator McCain's embrace of "W"'s complete military, political, and economic agenda, it appears that McCain will be running a nostalgia campaign. There is nothing that the Republican Hate Machine will not consider doing (or do!) to win this election--so this is far from a walk-over for Senator Obama. Stay tuned . . . With Senator McCain’s embrace of “W”‘s complete military, political, and economic agenda, it appears that McCain will be running a nostalgia campaign. There is nothing that the Republican Hate Machine will not consider doing (or do!) to win this election–so this is far from a walk-over for Senator Obama. Stay tuned . . .

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Comment on Republican Debate: An Endangered Species Attempting a Comeback by Inter-Breeding with Democratic Mules by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/05/republican-debate-an-endangered-species-attempting-a-comeback-by-inter-breeding-with-democratic-mules/comment-page-1/#comment-47 John Merryweather Cooper Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:42:34 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/05/republican-debate-an-endangered-species-attempting-a-comeback-by-inter-breeding-with-democratic-mules/#comment-47 It appears that one Republican Presidential hopeful has cashed in on running against the current Administration on the Iraq War. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) placed 2nd in a recent GOP straw poll in Utah. Congressman Paul has been vocal in his opposition to the war, and he is not nearly as ready to pander to the hard-core Republicans of the Religious Right and the Neo-Conservatives. Senator McCain, this could have been you. It appears that one Republican Presidential hopeful has cashed in on running against the current Administration on the Iraq War. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) placed 2nd in a recent GOP straw poll in Utah. Congressman Paul has been vocal in his opposition to the war, and he is not nearly as ready to pander to the hard-core Republicans of the Religious Right and the Neo-Conservatives.

Senator McCain, this could have been you.

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Comment on Congressman Ron Paul and the Appeal of Libertarianism by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-46 John Merryweather Cooper Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:12:31 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/#comment-46 By the way, if you wish to continue to post, you must use a valid e-mail address. By the way, if you wish to continue to post, you must use a valid e-mail address.

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Comment on Congressman Ron Paul and the Appeal of Libertarianism by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-45 John Merryweather Cooper Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:01:00 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/#comment-45 I rest my case . . . Ron Paul is a Libertarian, not a Republican. While I respect the power and idealism of your beliefs (and those of Ron Paul) I do not believe history supports them as a workable way to run a country. I will take your other points in turn: I. GOLD STANDARD: Your response: He does not fail to realize this. His plan is not to just eliminate the Fed outright. He wants to cut government spending, to legalize trade in gold, rather than dollars (one would assume that government involvement in coinage of gold would not be unacceptable. You bring your gold to the government, they weigh it, certify it’s purity, and press it into difficult to “clip” coins), and eventually eliminate the Federal Reserve, hopefully when it can be done without causing an economic collapse. I think what you fail to realize is that the economic collapse is coming, with or without the Fed. If we very carefully eliminate the fed, we have a chance to avert it. If we stay the course, we are doomed. "Liquidity" is the problem with your argument. If the Government and Foreign Banks hold the dollars and the money supply is allowed to tighten drastically (which it would if we went on Gold), then economic collapse occurs in short order. There is no "careful" way to eliminate the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve has been the only thing between us and the abyss what with the antics of the last few Republican presidents pushing us to ever higher deficits. And even if we started today to make those deficits go away (and I would agree with you that we should definitely start on that journey), they'll be with us for years and years to come. II. CONSTITUTION Your response: Did states rights contribute to slavery? Yes, to some extent. They also contributed to abolition of slavery in much of the North prior to the civil war. If we had eliminated the states, and tried from the outset to have only federal government, rest assured that either the Constitution would have never been ratified, or it would have been a Constitution that federalized slavery, and made it much more difficult to eliminate. Of course since there is not a state anywhere in the Union which would vote for slavery today, to attempt to use the past existence of slavery as a reason for continued centralization of government is at best foolish, at worst dishonest. It is a strawman to argue that I advocated for the abolition of the States. Whether or not any State would legalize slavery today is completely irrelevant. History is history. The 14th and 15th Amendments were necessary to abolish slavery. Your back-door states-rights argument that these Amendments had no relevance to the abolition of slavery is not supported by any credible historian. III. IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN: Your response: Iraq War: Yep, they never attacked us, we attacked them. End it, bring the troops home. Afghanistan: Wrong, buddy. Paul voted for war with Afghanistan, since either they did attack us, or through their inability to police their own population, allow us to be attacked from their soil. I’m sure he would have preferred a real declaration of war, to make it constitutional, but unlike Iraq, Afghanistan is a defensive war. A defensive war? I think you are on the horns of a dilemma. The Taliban, the recognized regime of Afghanistan did not attack us--on of their many "guests" did. By all the rules of war and all the dictates of history, this was an OFFENSIVE war. Now, I'm not troubled by that, since it was in our interests to destroy the Taliban--OFFENSIVELY--so that they could no longer harbor "guests." I only take issue with the pathetic and totally inadequate application of force that the current Administration used. If there is one reality of war, it is that "violence cannot be rationed." Since it was an offensive war, to stay true his beliefs Congressman Paul should have voted against the invasion. Finally, I am well aware that he was an Air Force officer. But the reality is that the Air Force has NEVER been engaged in actual combat over the ground we both call home. Moreover, bombers are specifically designed to attack targets in someone else's territory (it's not fun to bomb you're own backyard). Tankers are specifically designed to extend the range of bombers so that they can range farther from our borders. And fighters are specifically designed to rest air supremacy from our opponent over HIS ground. As a postscript, a war does not become defensive because we feel "good" about it or because it conveniently supports our political aims. That is the realm of propaganda. Rather, a war is objectively defensive if it is fought on our territory and offensive in all other cases. I rest my case . . . Ron Paul is a Libertarian, not a Republican.

While I respect the power and idealism of your beliefs (and those of Ron Paul) I do not believe history supports them as a workable way to run a country.

I will take your other points in turn:

I. GOLD STANDARD:

Your response:

He does not fail to realize this. His plan is not to just eliminate the Fed outright. He wants to cut government spending, to legalize trade in gold, rather than dollars (one would assume that government involvement in coinage of gold would not be unacceptable. You bring your gold to the government, they weigh it, certify it’s purity, and press it into difficult to “clip” coins), and eventually eliminate the Federal Reserve, hopefully when it can be done without causing an economic collapse.

I think what you fail to realize is that the economic collapse is coming, with or without the Fed. If we very carefully eliminate the fed, we have a chance to avert it. If we stay the course, we are doomed.

“Liquidity” is the problem with your argument. If the Government and Foreign Banks hold the dollars and the money supply is allowed to tighten drastically (which it would if we went on Gold), then economic collapse occurs in short order. There is no “careful” way to eliminate the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve has been the only thing between us and the abyss what with the antics of the last few Republican presidents pushing us to ever higher deficits. And even if we started today to make those deficits go away (and I would agree with you that we should definitely start on that journey), they’ll be with us for years and years to come.

II. CONSTITUTION

Your response:

Did states rights contribute to slavery? Yes, to some extent. They also contributed to abolition of slavery in much of the North prior to the civil war. If we had eliminated the states, and tried from the outset to have only federal government, rest assured that either the Constitution would have never been ratified, or it would have been a Constitution that federalized slavery, and made it much more difficult to eliminate. Of course since there is not a state anywhere in the Union which would vote for slavery today, to attempt to use the past existence of slavery as a reason for continued centralization of government is at best foolish, at worst dishonest.

It is a strawman to argue that I advocated for the abolition of the States. Whether or not any State would legalize slavery today is completely irrelevant. History is history. The 14th and 15th Amendments were necessary to abolish slavery. Your back-door states-rights argument that these Amendments had no relevance to the abolition of slavery is not supported by any credible historian.

III. IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN:

Your response:

Iraq War:
Yep, they never attacked us, we attacked them. End it, bring the troops home.

Afghanistan:
Wrong, buddy. Paul voted for war with Afghanistan, since either they did attack us, or through their inability to police their own population, allow us to be attacked from their soil. I’m sure he would have preferred a real declaration of war, to make it constitutional, but unlike Iraq, Afghanistan is a defensive war.

A defensive war? I think you are on the horns of a dilemma. The Taliban, the recognized regime of Afghanistan did not attack us–on of their many “guests” did. By all the rules of war and all the dictates of history, this was an OFFENSIVE war. Now, I’m not troubled by that, since it was in our interests to destroy the Taliban–OFFENSIVELY–so that they could no longer harbor “guests.” I only take issue with the pathetic and totally inadequate application of force that the current Administration used. If there is one reality of war, it is that “violence cannot be rationed.”

Since it was an offensive war, to stay true his beliefs Congressman Paul should have voted against the invasion.

Finally, I am well aware that he was an Air Force officer. But the reality is that the Air Force has NEVER been engaged in actual combat over the ground we both call home. Moreover, bombers are specifically designed to attack targets in someone else’s territory (it’s not fun to bomb you’re own backyard). Tankers are specifically designed to extend the range of bombers so that they can range farther from our borders. And fighters are specifically designed to rest air supremacy from our opponent over HIS ground.

As a postscript, a war does not become defensive because we feel “good” about it or because it conveniently supports our political aims. That is the realm of propaganda. Rather, a war is objectively defensive if it is fought on our territory and offensive in all other cases.

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Comment on Congressman Ron Paul and the Appeal of Libertarianism by Rich Paul http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Rich Paul Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:05:08 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/#comment-44 By the way, Libertarian philosophy does not object to the military leaving the borders, in time of war, in order to prosecute the war. We object to leaving the borders for no apparent defense reason, in order to attack countries that have done nothing to us. By the way, Libertarian philosophy does not object to the military leaving the borders, in time of war, in order to prosecute the war. We object to leaving the borders for no apparent defense reason, in order to attack countries that have done nothing to us.

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Comment on Congressman Ron Paul and the Appeal of Libertarianism by Rich Paul http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Rich Paul Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:03:10 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/06/08/congressman-ron-paul-and-the-appeal-of-libertarianism/#comment-43 Economic: Gold Standard Populist. He has plenty of venom for the Federal Reserve, but what he doesn’t realize is–with all the spending the government is doing–failing to increase the money supply would rapidly accomplish one or both of two ends: 1) nationwide bank panic when the ATM stop putting out money–regardless of customer balances; 2) economic depression when a collapse of corporate credit causes manufacturing to sieze and the service sector to close shop. He does not fail to realize this. His plan is not to just eliminate the Fed outright. He wants to cut government spending, to legalize trade in gold, rather than dollars (one would assume that government involvement in coinage of gold would not be unacceptable. You bring your gold to the government, they weigh it, certify it's purity, and press it into difficult to "clip" coins), and eventually eliminate the Federal Reserve, hopefully when it can be done without causing an economic collapse. I think what you fail to realize is that the economic collapse is coming, with or without the Fed. If we <strong>very</strong> carefully eliminate the fed, we have a chance to avert it. If we <em>stay the course</em>, we are doomed. Did states rights contribute to slavery? Yes, to some extent. They also contributed to abolition of slavery in much of the North prior to the civil war. If we had eliminated the states, and tried from the outset to have only federal government, rest assured that either the Constitution would have never been ratified, or it would have been a Constitution that federalized slavery, and made it much more difficult to eliminate. Of course since there is not a state anywhere in the Union which would vote for slavery today, to attempt to use the past existence of slavery as a reason for continued centralization of government is at best foolish, at worst dishonest. FWIW, I have never heard Ron Paul make any argument against the 14th amendment, and as a libertarian, I cannot imagine he would ever object to the 13th. One thing you can be sure of with Ron Paul: if he believes a thing, he will say it, even if it means ending his career. Taxation: I believe it is more accurate to say that he would like to eliminate the income tax, and to reduce other taxes to the minimum level which would fund the <strong>constitutional</strong> purposes of government. The income tax is constitutional. So was slavery. That does not mean they are right. Iraq War: Yep, they never attacked us, we attacked them. End it, bring the troops home. Afghanistan: Wrong, buddy. Paul voted <strong>for</strong> war with Afghanistan, since either they <strong>did</strong> attack us, or through their inability to police their own population, allow us to be attacked from their soil. I'm sure he would have preferred a real declaration of war, to make it constitutional, but unlike Iraq, Afghanistan is a <strong>defensive</strong> war. Military: As for the military, it is interesting to note that it is the Air Force that you assume Ron Paul wants to eliminate. Did you happen to know that he served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon during the 60's? Obviously, the United States, being much larger and more populous then it was in Jefferson's day, requires and can afford a larger military then Jefferson preferred. I doubt that Jefferson would disagree, were he to be elected today. The question is purpose. We can afford to defend ourselves. Hell, we can't afford not to. Do we need to defend the world? No. Do we need to force freedom, at gunpoint, on those who do not want it? Uhhh .... please define freedom, as I'm not sure that anything forced on you at gunpoint can be properly called by that name. Democracy cannot be maintained by those that need it; it must be maintained by those that want it. And when they truly want it, we won't be able to stop them from getting it. Economic: Gold Standard Populist. He has plenty of venom for the Federal Reserve, but what he doesn’t realize is–with all the spending the government is doing–failing to increase the money supply would rapidly accomplish one or both of two ends: 1) nationwide bank panic when the ATM stop putting out money–regardless of customer balances; 2) economic depression when a collapse of corporate credit causes manufacturing to sieze and the service sector to close shop.

He does not fail to realize this. His plan is not to just eliminate the Fed outright. He wants to cut government spending, to legalize trade in gold, rather than dollars (one would assume that government involvement in coinage of gold would not be unacceptable. You bring your gold to the government, they weigh it, certify it’s purity, and press it into difficult to “clip” coins), and eventually eliminate the Federal Reserve, hopefully when it can be done without causing an economic collapse.

I think what you fail to realize is that the economic collapse is coming, with or without the Fed. If we very carefully eliminate the fed, we have a chance to avert it. If we stay the course, we are doomed.

Did states rights contribute to slavery? Yes, to some extent. They also contributed to abolition of slavery in much of the North prior to the civil war. If we had eliminated the states, and tried from the outset to have only federal government, rest assured that either the Constitution would have never been ratified, or it would have been a Constitution that federalized slavery, and made it much more difficult to eliminate. Of course since there is not a state anywhere in the Union which would vote for slavery today, to attempt to use the past existence of slavery as a reason for continued centralization of government is at best foolish, at worst dishonest.

FWIW, I have never heard Ron Paul make any argument against the 14th amendment, and as a libertarian, I cannot imagine he would ever object to the 13th. One thing you can be sure of with Ron Paul: if he believes a thing, he will say it, even if it means ending his career.

Taxation:
I believe it is more accurate to say that he would like to eliminate the income tax, and to reduce other taxes to the minimum level which would fund the constitutional purposes of government. The income tax is constitutional. So was slavery. That does not mean they are right.

Iraq War:
Yep, they never attacked us, we attacked them. End it, bring the troops home.

Afghanistan:
Wrong, buddy. Paul voted for war with Afghanistan, since either they did attack us, or through their inability to police their own population, allow us to be attacked from their soil. I’m sure he would have preferred a real declaration of war, to make it constitutional, but unlike Iraq, Afghanistan is a defensive war.

Military:
As for the military, it is interesting to note that it is the Air Force that you assume Ron Paul wants to eliminate. Did you happen to know that he served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon during the 60′s? Obviously, the United States, being much larger and more populous then it was in Jefferson’s day, requires and can afford a larger military then Jefferson preferred. I doubt that Jefferson would disagree, were he to be elected today. The question is purpose. We can afford to defend ourselves. Hell, we can’t afford not to. Do we need to defend the world? No. Do we need to force freedom, at gunpoint, on those who do not want it? Uhhh …. please define freedom, as I’m not sure that anything forced on you at gunpoint can be properly called by that name. Democracy cannot be maintained by those that need it; it must be maintained by those that want it. And when they truly want it, we won’t be able to stop them from getting it.

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Comment on Republican Debate: An Endangered Species Attempting a Comeback by Inter-Breeding with Democratic Mules by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/05/republican-debate-an-endangered-species-attempting-a-comeback-by-inter-breeding-with-democratic-mules/comment-page-1/#comment-42 John Merryweather Cooper Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:07:52 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/05/republican-debate-an-endangered-species-attempting-a-comeback-by-inter-breeding-with-democratic-mules/#comment-42 With the President Bush out of country, the participants in the Third Republican Presidential Debate were much more willing to take aim at the multiple failings of his administration. Bravo! Now all that the front runners need to do to become credible in my eyes is to roundly criticize the Administration when the "W" is <b>in</b> country. With the President Bush out of country, the participants in the Third Republican Presidential Debate were much more willing to take aim at the multiple failings of his administration. Bravo! Now all that the front runners need to do to become credible in my eyes is to roundly criticize the Administration when the “W” is in country.

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Comment on Immigration and the Weakening of America by John Merryweather Cooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/01/immigration-and-the-weakening-of-america/comment-page-1/#comment-19 John Merryweather Cooper Sat, 05 May 2007 22:42:30 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/01/immigration-and-the-weakening-of-america/#comment-19 If we do not act to change, Mao's statement that "Power flows from the mouth of a gun" will be apt. If nothing else, the birth rates of non-Protestant, non-Caucasian people is accelerating while the birth rates of the affluent are shrinking. The Conservative approach of either walling them off (do any of them have any true idea of how many thousands of miles of borders the United States has?), deporting them back (at a return rate of maybe 5%?), or shooting them (East German style--we all should remember what a stunning success the DDR was!) will keep fill-in-the-blank racial/ethnic group(s) out. Insanity! Big chunks of the world would exchange the poverty of our lowest for the desparation of their current lives in a millisecond. They vote with their legs every day. If we do not act to change, Mao’s statement that “Power flows from the mouth of a gun” will be apt. If nothing else, the birth rates of non-Protestant, non-Caucasian people is accelerating while the birth rates of the affluent are shrinking. The Conservative approach of either walling them off (do any of them have any true idea of how many thousands of miles of borders the United States has?), deporting them back (at a return rate of maybe 5%?), or shooting them (East German style–we all should remember what a stunning success the DDR was!) will keep fill-in-the-blank racial/ethnic group(s) out. Insanity! Big chunks of the world would exchange the poverty of our lowest for the desparation of their current lives in a millisecond. They vote with their legs every day.

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Comment on Immigration and the Weakening of America by burbachcooper http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/01/immigration-and-the-weakening-of-america/comment-page-1/#comment-18 burbachcooper Sat, 05 May 2007 21:29:53 +0000 http://borgsdemons.com/blog/2007/05/01/immigration-and-the-weakening-of-america/#comment-18 Yes - but only because people think sociology is stupid and because we fail to believe that we have any power to change. We fear change. We fear metamorphosis. We fear loss of status. We fear. Yes – but only because people think sociology is stupid and because we fail to believe that we have any power to change. We fear change. We fear metamorphosis. We fear loss of status. We fear.

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